Fall Autos started

laf6502 · December 8, 2023, 6:46pm

Sour Stomper Auto 26 days from seed. Just kind of getting out of a fairly non spectacular veg and starting to stretch em out. Pretty expected for this one (and ive babied her a bit to make sure she came along as it was my last seed of it)… Id expect her to at least double but likely shell triple her current size.

Fugue State x Pink Panama Auto at 35 days out of the ground (38 from seed). Just a beautiful stretching sativa… She’s getting close to finishing her stretch but she still has 6-12" left in her as she extends the tips. She’ll easily be in the 40-48" area.

Wedding Cake auto - 14 days. starting to veg pretty nice and hoping to see a strong 7 days before she stretches.

PN and the second Fugue x Pink Panama. The PN has been a tough go… Ive already pruned 8 bottom stems off her ( I wish I would have just topped her

The fugue state is nice but just keeping her trimmed up and pulled away from the bigger girl. Not sure if ill keep her or give the whole box to the other.

Jetzpak · December 8, 2023, 11:55pm

looks like light problems yout internodal spacing is really bad from my poimt pf view the buds are airy. You need a closer higher ppm light to fix all that even your leaves don’t look right just tryin to help

laf6502 · December 9, 2023, 12:51am

Yeah… They haven’t even finished stretching. So they probably gonna be a little airy. LOL. what should an Auto flower look like at 30 days from seed? Maybe you grow miracle plants that are fully stacked in a month Please elaborate on what bad internodal spacing is :). Should it always be the same or is it going to vary by genetics as well… Some like more intense light, some like less. They always get less until it’s time to get more. Generally with AUTOS you just kind of let them do what they do with a little encouragement but its hard to get an entire run perfect like you can with fotos before flipping.

I press my plants as hard as needed depending on their phase. Although, they are getting excessive DLI right now and the PAR is more than sufficient, I have the lights hung high and am trying to stay on a very specific spectrum in the tent to induce stretching of the auto flowers for about another week… Basically I don’t want them to start stacking yet… I want them to finish stretching as they develop their flower spots.

But it was humorous. Check back in a couple weeks and they’ll be stacking.

laf6502 · December 16, 2023, 12:27am

Just finally finishing stretch around day 40 out of the ground and flowers starting to stack. The color on the foliage is genetic. The internodal spacing will vary by strain and the overall stretch of the stems. You don’t like the spacing on these stems @Jetzpak? Looks about perfect to me bro… Shell fill in that space nicely. Honestly, I take auto flowers looking like that at day 40 all day long… In another 5 weeks shell be done. Ill change the lighting to white at some point and snap a pic… I just don’t want to interrupt them right now.

Sour Stomper Auto (Grape Stomper x Green Crack) - About 8 days behind the older ones. Right in the middle of stretch… She’s looking like shell be a good 40" when she’s done.

Wedding Cake x DG x CDLC auto - A little over 3 weeks from plant. I topped her at day 21… I know, you’re not supposed to top autos but I don’t really care. I planned on doing this one as she normally stays a little squatter with the satellite stems. But her genetics are very stable so we’ll see how she does and if we can get the satellites to shoot out a bit.

The Pinot Noir Auto - 40ish days from germ. A very hard grow from the start. Did as much as I could to get her to stretch out her legs but she is what she is. Easily, the worst PN Auto grow ive ran… Hoping not a trend with the new pack of seeds. We’ll just let her finish out and do whatever she does and hope she at least makes nice flowers.

This is the CDLCxDGxMango Smile Auto - Freebie seed. She flowered early and did not stretch. Will be a 60 days seed to harvest easy. Her flowers are at least very fragrant… Almost all mango smile gassy. With autos this is what you get sometimes.

In about a week I will reset light height (after sour stomper is done stretching) as I switch to stacking settings… The Fugue State x Pink Panama is actually still stretching (trying to stretch out a third main stem right now)

laf6502 · December 21, 2023, 3:10am

She’s finally all done stretching and well into stacking. A few light adjustments, defoliation and pruning of lowers, and some top dress to take them home. Other than that this has been a pretty maintenance free auto run. The two sativas had a nice stretch and not much defol needed… Just some of the lower branching. Water only to this point… I’ll probably start throwing in a little coconut and aloe every once in a while in their watering.

Fugue State X Pink Panama end 0f 7 weeks from seed. thinking 4-5 more weeks.

Sour Stomper auto - still stretching tips out and going to stacking. end of 6 weeks from seed. definitely one of my fave sativas. Some grape green crack.

laf6502 · December 25, 2023, 4:11pm

Merry Christmas !!! @chasworks . Peace and Grace to you bro!

Pics from end of week 8 from seed (day 55 for the older ones and a week behind for the sour stomper…)

Fugue State x Pink Panama Auto - 55 days from seed

Sour Stomper Auto - Day 48 from speed

the topped wedding cake cross at 5 weeks from seed… Finally starting to pre flower stretch

Chasworks · December 25, 2023, 4:49pm

Nice Robert, Peace n Blessings! I tossed a couple of seeds in the outdoor earth box & forgot about them!

areqam · December 25, 2023, 8:09pm

It seems there are issues with your lighting setup; the internodal spacing appears significantly inadequate from my perspective, resulting in airy buds. To address this, consider using a closer light with a higher ppm to rectify both the internodal spacing and the abnormal appearance of the leaves. I’m offering this advice to assist you in improving your situation.

laf6502 · December 26, 2023, 6:45pm

These autos have been stacking for a week and one a week and a half. The stems are filling in fine for their stage.

I would appreciate comments from people that have actually grown autoflowers and know what they are suppose to look like. The two bigger are generally bigger stretching sativas with long stems and accordingly have more spacing.

The sour stomper is literally still stretching as she’s starting to stack. In two weeks her stems will fill in fast.

Fugue state x Pink panama - 55 days from SEED
Sour stomper - 48 days fro SEED

So for 46-52 days out of the ground the flowers are about as stacked as they’re going to be for these strains. They will stack more golf ball like all the way up the stem as opposed to big bushy colas like say a Bruce banner or slh.

So if you’re going to make comments then post your pictures and instructions on how you do it… or at least make your comments relative to the stage the plants are in. And AGAIN, the color of the foliage is genetic with the pink Panama. In a real conversation, we could discuss genetic vs. deficiency.

These plants need 3-4 more weeks of stacking flower…. And they’re stacking dense and frosty from the star. The flowers on both are already wet greasy so I’m happy with the progression. We’ll see how she goes but I think she’ll be looking pretty fine in about 3 weeks.

The biggest looks exactly like a fugue state auto with satellites stretching up with the main stem and massive branching…the only difference really is the color of the foliage that she gets from the Pink Panama along with some amazing aromas. The sour stomper…just wait and see on this one…if you’ve grown this one then You know what she’s going to do in terms of frost and terps and beautiful big golf balls all over her…. Green crack x grape stomper … you know how those nugs stack if you grow.

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stems less than two weeks into flower. The satellites stretched longer so of course the nugs are behind the main stem.

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Lower branching - smaller than the tops but flowers are forming normally

Hard to scale in a picture but even down the tree they are longer than golf balls and getting fatter quickly.

As you can see the light intensity at near canopy levels… Im not cranking them much more than that as they have plenty of light for a 20hr on. If I cut some mains later ill drop them on the lowers.

Left tent

Middle tent

Right side of tent

As far as lights go… There is 2700 watts of high quality lighting in the tent in which i’m utilizing about 60% total capacity right now. Ive been tweeking my phase spectrums for at least 7-8 cycles now and still experimenting. I may crank it a little after the wedding cake is done stretching. I can tell you the best overall tent spectrum is with the lights high… If you have enough power and intensity to push down low, then its better to run them a little higher as the plants prefer it… especially if they produce heat like mine do.

laf6502 · December 26, 2023, 4:36pm

You joined two days ago and are one and the same as jetzpak. But curious how “inadequate spacing results in airy buds”. You’re really the reason everyone leaves this forum and goes to other forums. Very few people on here have real knowledge of growing cannabis indoors because they’ve all left! I really only post on here for a few people and the noobs that genuinely would like to learn how to grow auto flowers successfully. Im not really interested in what the know-it-all noobs or the vets that would never grow “watered down ruderaellis” (lol) have to say… so you can just move on to the next thread to troll if you fit that description.

Im still waiting for some to genuinely critique the plants. How about the deficiency that started appearing in the fan tips 10 days ago… What did I do to rectify it immediately? There is a lot to be learned for those that are interested. but no one here is really interested in growing.

Chasworks · December 27, 2023, 11:20am

I am! stay the course Robert you are appreciated: i continue to learn a lot following your post: i apply what i learned here to my grow rather i have photo or auto going: if i get some solar panels installed to help with the electric i would make the switch to auto’s but thats another story for another time

laf6502 · December 27, 2023, 5:56pm

You could probably do your autos outside, eh? Anyways, yes I will continue posting my auto runs as that is really where my passion is. And frankly, I’ll take me a whole tent full of those fugue states x pink panamas. In person it is something to behold and the flowers are like nothing i’ve smelled… really just incredible Chas… Every grower should experience her aromas first hand. Ill mail you some seeds if you need them

laf6502 · December 28, 2023, 5:55am

For any new growers… This sativa is over 4ft tall. with long stems on this strain the internodal spacing is going to be generous. Along with light to moderate foliage she is built to receive light. If you give this plant too much light early on and scrunch the spacing she will not have the room to fill those beautiful legs up in 5 weeks. As you can see she will fill in just as she is designed to do… and she’s just getting warmed up.

Lowers filling in also… give her three more weeks. I could gain a little more up top by trimming a few more lowers but she is such an even distributor of her flower I think I will let her be.

Foliage - Sometimes a plant will express characteristics in their foliage that is uncommon to cannabis but common to that phenotype. The pink Panama in this strain is one of those plants. A lot of the auto strains I run tend to express purple foliage and have dark stems. This plant kept the structure type of the fugue state (Walter white x amnesia haze) but took on some foliage and terpene characteristics of the pink Panama. The leaves on this plant have expressed the exact same characteristics as when she came out of the ground. Some plants will begin to grow normal colors after a couple nodes. The research ive done on the Pink Panama, this is completely normal.

Just a bit over a month ago as a seedling… Same exact foliage

Today the flowering plants lost about 20% of their blue light and will stay in this stage for about 2-3 weeks during stacking before we flip the blue and red for finishing.

You can definitely see the spectrum change for stacking.

FS X PP next to SS

Sour Stomper has finished stretching her tops and is hopefully ready to go… she’s been more on the slow and steady side so would be surprised to see 85-90 days seed to harvest for her. A little long for her strain but I’ll take anything under 90 for an auto.

The early flower on the pinot noir… A bit disappointing as I really wanted this herb but hopefully she’ll throw down with a solid 40-50 grams in 70 days.

SS stem… She’ll start throwing down frost shell be looking white even covering the fans like the PN will.

If the PN can dense out a little… She has her normal abundance of frost from the double grape and her terps are exactly spot on… That fine grape wine with dank of the cdlc in the background.

So both the PN and the PN X were early flowers. The Two Sativas are as expected. The topped wedding cake is TBD but she is stretching. I think I can still hit my goal for 275-325g from the auto run if all goes well and I can take at least 225g from the two sativas combined…

Duggie · December 28, 2023, 3:03pm

You must have really stressed the he’ll out of it with all thisoe red branches

areqam · December 29, 2023, 6:06pm

The autos have been stacking for a week and a half, with stems filling in well for their stage. Seeking input from experienced autoflower growers, especially noting that the Sour Stomper is still stretching as it starts to stack. With Fugue State x Pink Panama at 55 days and Sour Stomper at 48 days from seed, the plants will continue stacking for 3-4 more weeks, displaying dense and frosty flowers. The discussion emphasizes sharing pictures and instructions relevant to the plant’s current stage and acknowledges genetic factors affecting foliage color.

laf6502 · December 31, 2023, 7:21pm

End of Day 60 on the PP/FS and 52 on the SS… Hopefully about 20 days left on the PP/FS but she’s still pounding 1.5 gals a day and im feeding her 1/4tsp 2-10-5 vegan water soluble on top of the top dress she received two weeks ago. The tip deficiency stopped and I did not see it develop on more leaves and the ones that had it marginally decayed a little more on the tips and then stopped. Just one of those things if you get a week behind on a big girl that likes to eat. Anyways… A few day 60 pics (and 52 for SS)… Red stems and all :). You can see the colors on the old calyx’s coming in… she’s gonna be pretty.

PP/SS Auto day 60

Down her longest satelitte

They are stacking densely and glueing themselves together all the way through.

Pictures just don’t scale the size… She has great nugs all over her and has a long ways to go.

SS auto… Just into full stacking

@Chasworks … Sorry you have to look at those red stems on the PP/FS. But enjoy nonetheless!!

Chasworks · January 2, 2024, 10:57am

Wow! Yes i would Love to grow them! I can cover the cost Robert our days are short here, right now Sun up to Sun set just 13hrs i am letting the seedling do its thing: will see how long after maturing she go’s before she flips naturally: its 55* now pretty Lo for these parts i don’t expect those over night temps to last much longer

Chasworks · January 2, 2024, 11:12am

Lol, red stems you got this Robert! You have it down to a Science! I need a way to send you my address, i’m sure you have a suggestion to do so

Atone1 · January 4, 2024, 10:34pm

They are perfect little sprouts in every way and are saying through the light at us daddy.
I had one little sprouter this run that had misshapen leaves that looked like a tomato plant.
Some leaves were longer than others and a weird two finger leaf thing came out. That thing lagged behind for over a week and then it just took off. I gave it an extra week to catch up with the others as they were getting 40" tall. That girl is now a bush with five big koalas coming out of the top of it. Oh well what’s a grower to do?