@MDBuds I can relate I’ve lost 3 sister in laws from 3 different strains of cancer, I lost my best friend to brain cancer @ 34, my youngest daughter is suffering from chronic pancreatitis, renal Vascular disease & blindness. She uses rso for pain & eating. And my 17 yr old granddaughter is autistic & has epilepsy. Her parents want to try CBD when she has her seizures. I agree & believe with all my heart that medical marijuana is very beneficial to people who are ill. I am the only grower in the family so I try to help them as best as I can. I have a friend who is also very knowledgeable & taught by Drs & professors on how to use it. They saved her life with it. 13 yrs later she’s still going strong. Your putting your OCD to good use & people like me around the world are looking for people like you !! Keep up the good fight for us followers you are greatly appreciated!! Kudos:smiling_face_with_three_hearts: to you…
@LilMic yes. Cbda takes longer to decarb into cbd than thca takes to decarb into thc. The extra time needed to decarb cbd allows more thc to degrade and form cbn. There is an art to the proper decarb for medicinal needs and luckily for us there are now cultivars with both high thc and cbd together so we don’t have to pick and choose as much. Like that Gold Leaf for instance has high thc and cbd so when decarbed you can get medicinal amounts of cbd and cbn without also sacrificing all of the thc like what would happen with cultivars that have lower thc and higher cbd etc…
@MDBuds fantastic! I have some gold leaf. I have a CBD 1:20 plant going into flower as we speak. I started it for my granddaughter. Should I decarb it longer as you mentioned earlier? I’m so excited about it. I want to make a tincture out of it for her.
@LilMic if it’s mostly a pure cbd cultivar a decarb of 45-60 minutes would work great. All of the thc will burn off because it’s such a small amount but thc and cbn isn’t needed at all for cbd tinctures for seizures.
Keep in mind this depends on temperature too. 230f 60 minutes. 240f 45 minutes.
@MDBuds I make my tinctures with veg glycerin in a Levo infusing machine. Will this be a good process for the seizure tincture or do you recommend a different carrier or process? Thanks again!!
@LilMic coconut oil or extra virgin olive oil is far superior to vegetable glycerin for making tinctures.
They can extract and hold more phytocannabinoids and they have more beneficial fats and acids that aid the liver in processing cannabinoids making cannabis tinctures made with coconut oil and olive oil more effective. As well as holding more phytocannabinoids they are also gentler and extract and preserve more terpenes.
Mct and vegetable glycerine both pale in comparison to coconut oil and olive oil. They don’t hold as many phytocannabinoids and they don’t preserve the terpenes as well.
Sunflower lecithin can be used in combination with all oil infusion methods too to make tinctures more effective and increase the perceived potency as well as how long the tincture is effective.
I second the olive oil and sunflower lecithin. My understanding is the lecithin is used in almost all pill rendering In pharmaceuticals. It makes the active ingredient uniform throughout the pill making process.
It also makes any cannabinoids uniform and homogenous throughout the oil. So that the dosage is uniform and you don’t get strong spots and weak spots. Aside from making it more bio available for the body by essentially emulsifying it into small equal droplets. It’s a must if you want to UP your game in oil extraction for edibles.
My long research concurred completely with MD buds that coconut oil and olive oil have the most carbons in their hydrocarbon chain. That directly makes more capacity in the 2 oils to hold onto more cannabinoid’s. Forget the butter; it has lower capacity and spoils too quickly.
I personally prefer the olive oil because it’s a liquid at room temp and has a longer shelf life without going rancid. And no one looks twice in a bottle of olive oil on the kitchen shelf. Coconut oil lasts a long time too but the solid state is much closer to room temp. And It can make it hard to work with for totally inexperienced users. If someone accidentally gets too high on their first time trying cannabis they usually never try it again. Especially people on the fence with trying it as medicine only (I share most of my harvest as finished olive oil and that has been my experience).
The example I have is a good mentor friend of mine had to go on a GI feeding port after surviving hacking out bad esophageal cancer. He was on a liquid diet and can only feed thru the GI stomach port. He liked to use my olive oil because he could shoot it right into his feeding port and it would not get clogged up like the coconut oil would.
Also, if you have people who really don’t want to feel intoxicated at all (left over prohibition guilt from the relentless brainwashing). The olive oil is super helpful because it can be easily cut with more fresh olive oil. I tell people if they complain that it made them feel loopy to cut it 50% with fresh olive oil. Then micro dose all day long. It’s really easy to do when using liquids versus solid-state coconut oil. The olive oil I can give somebody a plunger and say use 2 mL. That’s hard to do with the coconut oil. I am not hating on coconut oil, just loving the olive oil for it ease-of-use. I have used coconut oil plenty.
Sorry to cut in on your thread MDbuds. That’s just my five cents to add to the tab.
Also, I’m going on a pet tangent, the olive oil is much better for dosing pets. They seem to like to eat it just fine dogs and cats. It’s way easier to count out one or two drops of olive oil than the coconut oil. Super easy with an eyedropper.
It blows my mind how many pets seem to lose their weird dander and scratching all the time, or are suffering from their bad hips and barfing up rimedol or whatever all day. Neither bother them so much if they get a few drops of cannabis oil in their feed.
@MDBuds …question…Do male plants serve as a good foundation for tincture? Or so I just kill them off. I am looking for a good use of an excess of male plants…Appreciate any recommendations…
Hey guys, sorry if it’s already been covered - I’m hearing about MCT oil? Someone we know was recommending it as the best one to use for infusion. I tried to look up a bit about it but there seemed to be a bit of “fad” around it.
What say the gurus? I was a bit nonplussed about it being a manufactured product.
@Mrb53004 they still have terpenes and small amounts of cannabinoids but not enough to be worth trying to decarb.
Making teas on the other hand or therapeutic oils is a possibility but they won’t get you high at all. Maybe get a decent uplift and mood boost or a nice relaxing feeling from the terpenes.
With that said it’s difficult to do much with male plants and the result isn’t usually worth the effort so I personally just mulch them if I’m not using them to breed.
@CurrDogg420 MCT is not the best to use. It has a higher infusion rate of cannabinoids such as thc/cbd but it lacks the necessary fats and acids to pull out many of the terpenes and phytocannabinoids. The lack of certain fats and acids also makes anything made with it seem less potent because some of those fats and acids aid in the tincture being processed by the liver. You can try and make up for that by adding sunflower lecithin but infusions made with coconut oil or extra virgin olive oil will still beat it hands down. Even more so if you use lecithin with the evoo or coconut oil.
@MDBuds great info on dosing. With 2 closed head injuries I could follow this perfectly. I had to go over it a couple times but I got it ty so much. I do have a couple questions:
Can these Calculations also work on figuring out amounts of THC in your edibles?
Ex: brownies, chocolates, etc.
I read that sunflower lecithin stabilizes the cannabinoids better while going through the liver which makes it seem more potent. So it absorbs better. Is that right?
I bought soy lecithin will it do the same?
I made chocolates for my daughter who is very I’ll with pancreatitis. I used 2 cc’s of RSO made from GSC with cocobutter (1/4 cup) & 1 cup dark chocolate using the lg bear molds. Don’t have actual size of mold but they use them for gummies. I’d like to try & figure out how strong they are if possible.
Thank you for being so helpful in getting me & others through this. It can be overwhelming trying to figure it all out.
@LilMic sunflower lecithin is more effective than soy lecithin and it’s also a healthier alternative. Extraction methods and gmo aside sunflower lecithin also has more phospholipids and fatty acids that improve liver health and function as well as brain health. Sunflower lecithin is definitely the superior choice in my opinion.
As far as dosing I would need to know how you made the RSO first. How much alcohol and how much flower. Then I would need to know how much rso you had in your end result so I can break down the thc per ml/cc.
Once you do that it’s just a matter of dividing by volume after that/number of edibles. So if you measure each edible by volume before going into the molds such as using ml or cc I can give you the exact amount in each one. If you don’t measure but you used your entire mix I can help there too.
So far you’ve pretty much said you use 2 ml/cc rso to 1 1/4 cup chocolate mix. So I need to know how you made your rso. What alcohol was used and the amounts of alcohol and flower.